11C/ Is the smart home a dictatorship, co-op, or homesteading?

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Is the smart home a dictatorship, co-op or homesteading?

Wednesday 11C

Convener: Chris Butler - LinkedIn, Twitter

Notes-taker(s): Chris Butler

Tags for the session - technology discussed/ideas considered:

Identity, pseudo-identity, communal computing, IoT, smart homes

Discussion notes, key understandings, outstanding questions, observations, and, if appropriate to this discussion: action items, next steps

Session Slides:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/e/2PACX-1vQrfwD6AOisVpNmMlHAy-4ysCkp7UTEFcmGAdjQIu359yF4Y-TepHbtCVJVElQDUFKFL1enETkdbQ92/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000

Background materials:

ZOOM Chat Log:

Jeff O: Great graphical explainers Chris!

Jeff O: Thx Tim!

fundthmcalculus: Chris, will you post the slide deck, especially the trust relationships venn diagram?

Timothy Holborn: 2016: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ud8Jm4oHvR-YFIylqPoPJgv9TljQCydiR9HXAHrHwTs/edit

Chris Butler: https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_lqh1FGs=/

Jeff O: Wonder if homesteading may = "in touch"

Timothy Holborn: https://www.w3.org/WoT/

fundthmcalculus: @Chris, since we're talking governance:

Dictatorship, Democracy, and Colony?

Timothy Holborn: https://www.hbbtv.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/HbbTV-SPEC-00525-HbbTV-SPEC-00515-008-hbbtv203_2020_10_14.pdf

Jeff O: The phrase "Public Privacy" come to mind and was brought up @ IIW a few years ago - per Justin R\

Timothy Holborn: (linked to the HbbTV spec above) https://github.com/MPAT-eu/MPAT-core

Jeff O: The kitchen being a public space w/aspects of delegated (maybe privacy based), parents get the re=supply info as well as the what's to eat, but the kids may just get the what's to eat. To Alan's point I think.

Jeff O: "....delegated info... re:above

Jeff O: Re: Zones in a home, etc. People (consumers in particular) often don't understand bandwidth loads and QoS prioritization concepts. A PC one foot from a ethernet connection does not need to lean on WiFi. So much low fruit that is foundational.

Jeff O: "Why is my WiFii slow?" Everyone streaming Netflix after school, Sonos everywhere, updating in the background. Becomes "mayhemic" at a point in my experience.

johannes: Alan: where would you manage those permissions?

Jeff O: Set any expiry time?

Jeff O: Don't want to get that expiry wrong, eh!? :(

George Fletcher: OAuth supports explicitly revokable tokens

Alan Karp: Didn’t use to, right?

Jeff O: Ever driven away from your FOB? I have : (((((( Lesson: Never turn off your car to avoid this problem. We blew it...

George Fletcher: The /revocation endpoint has been valid for many years... but it was added after 6749 and 6750

Alan Karp: Clearly I haven’t been keeping up.

Fundthmcalculus: pro tip: get a car with a physical key, can't lose it. Also, most have a feature where they flash a "key not detected" error.

Timothy Holborn: Thankyou all.

Joyce Searls: Picos help with things having their own identity.

Jeff O: @fund: tru dat. we heard the alarm beep upon reviewing our circumstance. My daughter even said...gulp, "It said Key not in range" and didn't share that out. I heard too on replay but it didn't jostle me as it was so unfamiliar an alert... Physical hide-a-key - YES!

fundthmcalculus: That's a software defined network.

Jeff O: modular repurposing

Jeff O: like an ISP modem on a new circuit

windley: http://worrydream.com/refs/Smith%20-%20Croquet%20-%20A%20Collaboration%20System%20Architecture.pdf

windley: That’s Reed’s paper on Croquet

Alan Karp: We worked with the Croquet team while they were at HP Labs.

fundthmcalculus: Lamp says: I'm sorry Chris, I can't do that.

Joyce Searls: Gotta leave. Thanks so much.

windley: Yeah @alan, the Acknowledgements mentions HP.

Jeff O: Can you drive away from your home's FOB?!